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Pop Pantheon

MADONNA (with Jezebel's Rich Juzwiak)

Pop Pantheon

DJ Louie XIV

Music Commentary, Music, Pop Culture, Pop, Pop Music

4.7630 Ratings

🗓️ 22 April 2021

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

This week, DJ Louie is joined by Jezebel Senior Writer and Pot Psychology Host Rich Juzwiak to discuss the Queen of Pop, Madonna. Their conversation focuses mainly on Madonna's latter period career, from 2008's Hard Candy through 2019's Madame X, and the ways Madonna's vice-grip on both her artistic muse and Pop writ-large have slipped after 25 years of dominance. Louie and Rich discuss Madonna's strange choice to make Hard Candy with a post-prime Timbaland and Pharrell, debate her legacy as an innovator and clout-chaser, her often cringey Instagram presence, her self-destructive feud with Lady GaGa, how notions Pop and diva-dom have shifted over her nearly four decade (!!) career, and the ideas- or lack thereof- behind her recent albums. Finally- and despite these recent missteps- Louie and Rich discuss Madonna's well-earned position atop the Pop Pantheon, what she could do now to right the ship, and whether she is in fact the greatest pop star of all time.


Read Rich's review of Madame X on Pitchfork: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/madonna-madame-x/

Read Louie's review of Madame X on Buzzfeed: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/djlouiexiv/madonna-madame-x-pop-music-age-women


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0:00.0

Welcome to Pop Pantheon, the podcast where we completely overanalyze the music, legacy, and cultural

0:17.5

impact of all your favorite pop stars.

0:20.3

I'm your host, DJ Louis X. Louis X. And I'm a DJ,

0:23.6

writer, and all-around pop music fanatic. I've spent my entire life and career thinking about,

0:28.8

dissecting, and being obsessed with pop stars. Their music, their legacies, how they relate to one

0:34.1

another, to the larger pop musical landscape and to culture more broadly.

0:38.1

What separates an icon from a mere superstar? Why does some careers become the soundtrack to our

0:43.0

lives and why do others flop? Whose work in legacy transcends time and whose feel stuck in it?

0:49.4

Every episode of Pop Pantheon, we'll devote an entire episode to a pop icon, from Titans of the

0:54.7

genre like Beyonce and all the way down to, uh, lesser Titans, like Nicole Scherzinger.

1:01.3

Each episode, you'll hear a little breakdown from me, and then some distinguished guests

1:05.4

and I will chop it up about their careers, discographies, public personas, live performances,

1:12.6

music videos, feuds, tweets,

1:17.8

you name it. And at the end, we'll turn pop into fantasy football, make our final judgment,

1:20.3

and place them in the official Pop Pantheon.

1:29.0

Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Pop Pantheon. We're here again, episode four. Here we go. I have to just say,

1:33.5

I am having the most fun doing this podcast and getting to connect with all of you, my fellow pop freaks, and to share our weird obsession with pop stars, it just feels like I've found

1:39.7

my click and my crew, and I really, really appreciate you all for coming back every episode and being

1:46.6

part of this fun, weird journey together. So thank you again for tuning in and we're just getting

1:53.5

started and it's so fucking exciting for me. I want to extend a very special welcome to all the new

1:59.3

Jet friends that came on board the podcast last episode.

2:02.4

There is nothing more gratifying as a pop van than connecting over Queen Carly.

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