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Soteriology 101 w/ Dr. Leighton Flowers

Made Alive by God: Ephesians 2:4-5

Soteriology 101 w/ Dr. Leighton Flowers

Leighton Flowers

Baptist, Atonement, Reformed, Bible, Religion & Spirituality, Calvinism, Biblical, Arminianism, Calvin, Christianity, Christian

4.8826 Ratings

🗓️ 2 January 2017

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Leighton Flowers answers Andrew Rappaport from Striving with Eternity over Ephesians 2:4-5. (For some unknown technical reason, the video portion of this broadcast cuts out about half way through, but the audio continues to work.)

1) Traditionalists do NOT believe we make ourselves alive. God and God alone makes us alive. We believe God makes us alive through faith, not unto faith. We are called to repent so as to live, not the other way around. (John 20:31, Ezk 18:30-32, Eph. 2:1-9, etc)

2) We believe God makes us alive WITH CHRIST (or "in Him"). We do not believe God makes some people alive so that they will be 'in Him,' but that once we are marked in him through faith in the Word (Eph. 1:13), then we are graciously brought to life. 

3) We differ on the ordo salutis, we do not differ on who is responsible for new life. God alone is able to give us new life. This is the conflating issue I tried to explain last time. When one conflates man's responsibility to humbly repent in faith with God's responsibility to save the repentant (bringing them to new life) confusion ensues. We must treat these two as distinct choices in order to have a rational conversation. It's fine to argue that God is responsible for BOTH, but you still can't conflate them as if they are one in the same thing and expect to carry on a discussion with us about our differences. We must discuss each in turn: (1) Fallen man's responsibility to admit their fallen condition and trust Christ to rescue them and then (2) God's gracious choice to save those who do humble themselves and trust in Christ. We can't conflate those two as if they are one in the same choice.

4) From our perspective, God doesn't need permission (as one suggested). God chooses to grant man responsibility (the ability to respond). That is God's prerogative and any systematic which suggests that God's omniscience limits his ability to create libertarianly free moral agents is the system that is actually limiting His sovereignty and power over creation IMO. 

5) Hermeneutics teaches us to allow scripture to interpret scripture and Calvinists do this quite regularly to add clarity to their interpretation. When I do it therefore, it should not be dismissed as just "jumping around the scriptures." We both acknowledge what Paul says about us being dead in our sins in Eph. 2, but we disagree about the connotation of that terminology. I can point to several passages which suggest that "deadness" connotes "lostness" or "separateness" and where man's responsibility to return/repent is still fully expected and even commanded with the threat of punishment (Lk 15:32; Rev. 3:1-6; James 1:13-15). It is the Calvinists burden to find just one text where "deadness" clearly connotes the concept if morally inability to humbly repent for ones sin in light of God's life giving, powerful, Holy Spirit inspired truth. I don't believe it can be found.

Transcript

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0:00.0

It's time for the Soterology 101 podcast, where God is most glorified by his love and provision for all people.

0:09.7

Welcome your host, the director of apologetics for Texas Baptists, an adjunct professor of theology, and a local teaching pastor, Dr. Layton Flowers.

0:24.5

Welcome to Sotriology 101. I wanted to interact with a ministry called Striving for Eternity. The man you see on the screen here beside me is a man named

0:29.6

Andrew Rapaport. He and I have met a couple times and talked over the internet as well. He is a good

0:36.8

Calvinistic brother. I think he has a spirit of peace about him,

0:41.0

a desire to represent others correctly, and I think a desire to learn in a positive way when you have

0:51.1

a disagreement with a brother. And so this is one of the reasons I love

0:54.4

to engage with other, you know, Calvinistic brothers who have that kind of a spirit, that kind of

0:59.3

set a good example and how we can disagree with each other without being overly disagreeable.

1:04.8

And so I wanted you to hear him interact with some of my views. We have a Google hangout

1:09.9

occasionally Sunday nights or, you know, off nights of the week. We have a Google hangout occasionally, Sunday nights or,

1:12.1

you know, off nights of the week, Andrew, occasionally will send me a message or somebody on

1:17.1

the Google Hangout will send me a message inviting me to come on. And I'm kind of the resident

1:21.9

traditionalist, non-Calvinistic traditionalist in a room typically full of more Calvinistic or

1:26.8

reformed leaning brothers.

1:28.9

And so it's interesting to hear their perspective on different passages and how they

1:34.1

understand my perspective in certain ways. And so I want to play just clips of Andrew as he's

1:41.7

engaging with how he perceives my view with regard to

1:45.2

Ephesians chapter 2 versus foreign following. Last week we talked about

1:49.0

Ephesian chapter 2 versus 1 through 3 which really talks about the

1:53.5

deadness of man and as you know those who followed my program understand that

1:58.7

we understand deadness not as moral inability as decreed by

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