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sellers. What's up, Buttercups?

Welcome to a mean age daydream, where I am very excited to have some company today.

I know you're shocked to see me with another guest on the show, but I'm excited to say it is the one of the only Phil Magnus, Philip W. Magnus, I should say.

Philip is a senior fellow.

Oops, sorry, I'm getting a little echo back there, Phil.

I should quiet down my voice.

He is a senior fellow and the David W., or David J. Thoreau chair in political economy at the

Independent Institute. And you do a ton of work in the economics of slavery, Caribbean world,

as well as other aspects of economic history. Bill, welcome to the show. Happy to be here.

Yeah, it's great. Well, as I mentioned in the lead and we were just kind of doing a quick chat, you are well known among my colleagues and very obviously well respected. You've been on with John Oterman, Lou Perez. Thanks very high. Highly have you. You just spoke them as well fairly recently. But today, we are here to talk about your new book, which is, and I'll hold it up if you'll see,

the 1619 Project Myth.

And this is published by the Independent Institute.

And this is your, I think, third book?

Is that correct?

A third of a full books, and then I've edited a few volumes as well on top of that.

Yes, fantastic. Well, yeah, you definitely do keep busy. I'll give you that. Amongst, you know, starting fights with various historians and people's economic matters. Well, I think first things first, I'd love to hear, you know, where was the, the genesis of this? And I will preface it by saying, you know, obviously we saw this come out, and I think it was,

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