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MacroVoices #485 Jeff Currie: The Joule Order

Macro Voices

Hedge Fund Manager Erik Townsend

Business, Investing, Business:investing

4.83.4K Ratings

🗓️ 18 June 2025

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome, Jeff Currie. They’ll discuss what Jeff calls the “New Joule Order” and why Jeff says there’s really no limit to how much higher the price of Gold can go given the current macro backdrop. https://bit.ly/4na3hvu   🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook 📈📉: https://bit.ly/44lfjdT   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/4d1fcag    🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials

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0:00.0

This is Macro Voices, the free weekly financial podcast targeting professional finance, high net worth individuals, family offices, and other sophisticated investors.

0:18.9

Macrovoices is all about the brightest minds in the world of finance

0:22.6

and macroeconomics telling it like it is, bullish or bearish, no holds barred. Now, here are

0:29.0

your hosts, Eric Townsend and Patrick Suresna. Macrovoices, episode 485, was produced a day early this week on Wednesday, June 18th,

0:41.4

2025 in observance of the Juneteenth holiday. I'm Eric Townsend. Carlisle's Jeff Curry,

0:48.9

formerly Goldman Sachs chief commodity strategist, returns as this week's feature interview guest.

0:53.8

We'll discuss what Jeff

0:55.4

calls the new jewel order, and that's jewel spell J-O-U-L-E, the unit of energy, not the gemstone.

1:03.4

And we'll also discuss why Jeff says there's really no limit to how much higher the price of gold can go

1:09.4

with the current macro backdrop.

1:11.7

And be sure to stay tuned for our postgame segment after the feature interview.

1:15.8

Patrick will have his chart deck and I'll also have an update on what caused the sudden spike up in uranium prices on Monday and where I think the market is headed from here.

1:25.2

And I'm Patrick Suresan with the macro scoreboard week over week as of the close of Wednesday, June 18th, 2025.

1:33.4

The S&P 500 indexed down 70 basis points, trading to 5980.

1:38.6

Markets finding heavy resistance above after a historic two-month run higher.

1:45.6

We'll take a closer look at that chart and the key technical levels to watch in the postgame segment. The US dollar index up 37 basis

1:51.8

points trading at 98-94, bouncing off that 98 support line, but will it hold longer term? The July

2:00.2

WTI crude oil contract up 729 basis points training at

2:04.6

7312 geopolitical headlines continued to drive daily volatility the july arbob gasoline up

2:12.6

556 basis points to 228 the august gold contract up 123 basis points, training at 3384.

2:21.6

The July copper contract up 83 basis points, training at 485, and uranium up 650 basis points to 74.55.

2:32.5

The first meaningful rise in months.

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