This episode of The Dig is brought to you by our listeners who support us at patreon.com and by haymarket books.

As global crises deepen, social movements are striving toward new visions

and experimenting with new strategies.

From Palestine to the US and beyond,

radical politics have re-emerged as necessary for both survival and full liberation.

At this critical juncture, the Socialism Conference, August 30th through September 2nd in Chicago,

will be a vital gathering space for today's left.

Join thousands of activists and organizers to learn from each other and history, assess ongoing struggles,

and experience the energy of in-person gatherings.

Featured speakers at Socialism 2024 will include Ruth Wilson Gilmore,

Nura Ereacat, Ilan Papay, Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz, Nick Estes, Maryam Caba, Vincent Bevins, Jules Gil Peterson, Dereka Purnell, me, Daniel

Denver, Abdel Rizaktachriti, Rachel Herzing, Alexis Pauline Gums, Hanif Abdurikib, Sarah Jaffi, Theario Franco's, Silky Shah, Dave Zerin, Ashley Dawson, and many more. The Socialism Conference is

brought to you by Haymarket books. Visit socialism conference.org

to learn more and register today. I am not welcoming you to the dig today like I normally would because this is not a dig

episode. It's an episode of a wonderful podcast called MacroDose.

I just got back from London, where I did a joint Dig Verso

Podcast interview with Jeremy Corbin and Lala Kalili in front of a live audience packed into Islington's architecturally stunning Union

Chapel. It was a two- Podcasted double- delivers economics analysis in sharp 15 minute doses.

Basically the opposite of the Diggs format, but very, very good.

Today, we're posting that live macro dose, which is roughly three times longer than a normal macro dose.

It's an interview on the general political economic situation with the scholar

Theo Rio Franco's, who you no doubt know well from the dig,

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