Hey, what I was my second trainer.

Yo, this is Justin Bieber.

Hey, it's Ariana Grande.

To Chishap The Interviews, a Zach Sang Show exclusive podcast.

It is a Zach Sang show.

We got Dan.

We got me.

And we welcome Ben Haggertie, aka Maclemore to the studio.

Thank you for doing this, man.

Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. We were talking about life.

And I feel like I got too deep on relationships here in Los Angeles.

It was kind of the, I, you just have very welcoming eyes.

Thank you.

You know?

There's no such thing as too deep.

You're right.

I would much rather go to a place of real, vulnerable, human than, you know, contrived,

cliche.

Do you feel like you're always in a genuine space, or have you found that sometimes you kind

of go into the cliche space?

Because it's easy to get lost in that, kitch puky fake smile type yes thing yeah I mean it's it's it's um it's

difficult in certain environments to show up in an authentic way yeah and you know I

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