Hello I'm William Gallagher and this is the Apple Insider podcast. This episode is

brought to you by Notion more from them later. Now Apple has just announced its changes to the App Store

for users in the European Union and you can bet there's going to be a lot of

discussion about that in the coming weeks. For one thing, the terms for developers who want to offer an alternative

app store seem to be less draconian than everyone thought Apple would do. At first glance, even seems well worked out for users too.

We'll know more now that the beta of iOS 17.4 has been released to developers and

includes all of the changes or at least does if you're a

developer in the EU. But for now joining me for what he expects is a discussion about

40 years of the Mac, what he imagines is about a vision problem,

why possibly hopes is about the iPad is Wes Hilliard. Wes, hello.

Good morning, William. How you know today?

Ah, well, I was fine.

I was great, actually.

And there's so much to be interested about until I heard you on iPad Pro's podcast.

And there's a particular thing I just totally selfishly I want your advice on something you mentioned

in that about how you use your iPads but also in the week of the 40th anniversary of the Mac you at least alluded to the idea that the Mac was

reminiscent of Windows 2000 and I would like you to prostrate yourself explain beg forgiveness.

How do you explain that?

Well it's all the same thing.

It's just it's just all the same thing. You've got a mouse and a desktop and a little start bar.

You click on an application and opens a window.

The paradigm's been around for a hundred years, give or take, 40 maybe. And it's just, I don't know, it feels old. I mean, I've been doing the same thing with the computer since I was a child and we'll get into that later.

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