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When you decided to leave that night, did you say around 145-ish?

Yes.

When you left around 145, was there any events that happened that night that would cause you unrest or excitement or your

heartbeat to raise? No. When you decided to leave, you and your husband, where were you going to go?

We were dropping off Julie Nagel and Sarah Levinson and then we were going home.

Had you planned on dropping them off earlier in the night?

No. When we got there, Julie's brother had pulled up to pick them up and she, we just...

I won't ask you what we said because you weren't there. At some point, did you come to an

understanding that you would give them ride home? Yes. offer yes who was going to drive home between you and your husband um matt drove home when you left i want you to describe as you step out into the driveway or the walkway was it the front door or side door, if you remember? I walked out the front door.

Is the weather like it was when you first got there? No, it's picked up.

Tell us what you mean by it's picked up. So as I walk out, you kind of go, the walkways to the left.

So I walked down the steps. I'd go to the left. The snow was coming. was cold the wind was picking up so I kind of just like curled up and

ran to my car quick to get in what part of the car did you get into I front passenger who was driving

mad and where were the other two people uh Sarah and Julie were in the back seat who was in what spot

I'm not exactly sure so both of the young women were in the backseat. Who was in which spot? I'm not exactly sure. So both of the young

women were in the backseat? Yes. Was there any conversation when you got into the car?

We got in the car and they were teasing me. Why were they teasing you? Because I had like

bread and maybe peanut butter in my car. Why did you have bread and peanut butter in your car?

I had had my niece for the week and I was taking,

I was dragging her like to all my kids sporting events,

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