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50 degrees in a 15-minute period, is it correct to say that there was a much more dramatic

drop in temperature in your test scenario one than what actually occurred on John O'Keefe's

phone for the time period we just covered in January 29?

Yes.

And then with regard to even test scenario 2,

where the temperature is 33.8 degrees,

that's the ambient, the outdoor temperature, right?

At that temperature, just above freezing,

you've got a...

Sorry, it's below freezing.

I'm sorry?

It's below freezing.

What is freezing in Fahrenheit?

I don't know, but it's zero degrees Celsius, and it was minus 5 degrees Celsius at the time.

Right, but do you, would you agree that, and I want to be fair to you because I know you use Celsius more than Americans who use Fahrenheit, but would you agree that 32 degrees Fahrenheit is the freezing point in Fahrenheit?

I honestly wouldn't know.

Okay, fair enough.

So, in any event, in your experiment at 33.8 degrees Fahrenheit, you're getting a drop in your

experiment in 13 minutes of 30.6 degrees, right?

Correct. But much less drop in temperature on slide deck 60 of the actual iPhone of John O'Keefe on the morning of January 29th, correct?

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