You're listening to live courtroom coverage of the trial of Karen Reed from the Hidden

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Correct. For her, for the defendant, you know, some people don't have rapid, you know,

I'm just talking about your observations of her at that time yes

yes sir her her demeanor was consistent with having gone through a significant

trauma for the situation sure yes okay you said that she was went from

calmness to agitation the agitation you accounted for being, I don't necessarily

want to go to the hospital, I don't want to be sectioned, correct?

She felt like she didn't, you know, she didn't need to. It wasn't, she wasn't going to act on

her, her comments about wanting to harm herself. You called it, I think, in a report it's S.I.

Suicidal ideation.

Correct.

That's obviously a great concern to you and your partners when you're assessing a patient, correct?

That's right.

You don't want to leave someone on their own if they're going to self-harm, correct?

That's correct. You pretty quickly assessed, I'm guessing, Firefighter Becker that she was not in fact

in the position to self-harm that I think you said that the statements she originally

made, if John dies, I don't want to live, were not necessarily at the level of actual

suicidal ideation, is that right?

Yeah, I mean, at the time I believed her because of the, you know, the, what

the information we got and what she went through. I'm sorry, I didn't quite understand your

answer. Sorry, can you repeat your question? It's probably my fault. At the time that you

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