You're listening to live courtroom coverage of the trial of Karen Reid from the Hidden Killers podcast and True Crime Today.

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May I inquire? Yes.

Thank you.

Mr. Miasako, going back to my question.

You're not saying that the hair belonged to John O'Keefe, correct?

That's not what you're saying.

What I'm saying is based on the genetic data obtained from the hair sample and the genetic

data obtained from the known reference sample of John O'Keefe, I cannot exclude John O'Keefe as

being a possible source of the hair sample. In addition, all maternally related individuals

could not be excluded as being a source of the hair sample. Another way of saying that, Mr. Miasako, is to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty,

you cannot say that hair belonged to John O'Keefe specifically, can you?

Yes or no?

No, with mitochondrial DNA, you can't say that it is per se an individual person, so it's

more so the maternal line.

Because the hair could have come from his mom, it could have come from his maternal

nephew or anybody in his maternal line, correct?

Correct.

If they also had access to that stuff, then yeah.

For instance, access to that stuff, meaning if his maternal nephew lived in the home with him,

where the SUV was stored, it's just as reasonable if the hair came from him, correct?

Sustain.

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