M & K Employee Solutions, LLC v. Trustees of the IAM National Pension Fund
U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments
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🗓️ 20 January 2026
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| 0:00.0 | Your argument next in case 23-129 M&K employee solutions versus the trustees of the IAM National Pension Fund. |
| 0:09.8 | Mr. Conelli. |
| 0:11.0 | Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court. |
| 0:14.2 | Section 1391 creates a clear timing rule. |
| 0:18.1 | Withdraw liability is based on the plan's unfunded vested benefits as of the end |
| 0:22.6 | of the prior year. The statute then defines unfunded vested benefits as the value of the plan's |
| 0:29.2 | non-forfeitable benefits minus the value of the plan's assets. That first number is the present |
| 0:36.7 | value of decades of future pension payments. |
| 0:40.1 | So the assumptions that the plan actuary makes about the future are a crucial part of what |
| 0:45.3 | determines that number. Changing the assumptions changes the present value and thus changes |
| 0:51.0 | the amount of unfunded vested benefits. But under the statute's timing rule, that amount is frozen on the valuation date. |
| 0:59.6 | Later changes in that amount cannot factor into the employer's liability. |
| 1:04.4 | That's just as true for changes caused by new assumptions as it is for changes from any other |
| 1:09.7 | component of the computation. |
| 1:12.2 | Respondents argue that until recently, actuaries have often selected withdrawal liability |
| 1:17.1 | assumptions after the valuation date. It's not clear that that's true, but even if it is, |
| 1:22.8 | it doesn't alter the meaning of the statutory text. And respondents themselves concede that plans and |
| 1:28.7 | actuaries can readily comply with our reading of the statute and in recent years have started to do so. |
| 1:35.3 | That makes sense our reading promotes predictability and consistency through a clear and simple rule. |
| 1:41.6 | Respondents' reading does the opposite. For them, actuarial assumptions can be |
| 1:45.8 | changed any time, including after the employer withdraws, even if the change triples or quadruples |
| 1:52.2 | what the employer believed it would owe. There's no reason to read the statute as creating |
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