Hello and welcome to this day in esoteric political history from radiotopia.

My name is Jody Avergan.

This day, November 28, 1843, Hawaii Independence Day.

And listeners, yes, I know many of you will not be listening to this on November 28th.

We kind of have to scramble the timing of this episode a little bit

because of the Thanksgiving break but we really want to get to it so cast your mind

back to November 28th and it is Hawaiian Independence Day and I will say that a big part of this story and why we are interested in the story is because that phrase

Hawaiian Independence Day it's a very loaded phrase independence whom, what type of independence exactly.

So in many ways this is our moment of starting to look at a centuries long conversation and

fight around those very questions about what exactly independence

means in Hawaii.

But nevertheless, this day, November 28th, is the date of the signing of the

English official diplomatic recognition of the independence and sovereignty of the

Hawaiian Kingdom by Great Britain and France and for about 50 years Hawaii was ruled by Hawaiians albeit a Hawaiian monarchy which was then overthrown in the late

1890s which was a move supported by the United States which then annexed Hawaii and made

this a very fascinating and complicated history.

We've gotten a number of requests from people to do more Hawaiian history, so we are going to do that, and this is the first moment kind of

dipping into this question of independence at least. Let's talk about it here as

always Nicole Hammer of Vanderbilt and Kelly Carter Jackson of Wesley. Hello there.

Aloha Jody.

Hey there.

I will say our Hawaiian listeners, shout out to you because this has been on our list for a long time we've been waiting for this date

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