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The Lawfare Podcast

Lynzy Billing on Afghanistan's Zero Unit Night Raids

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 24 January 2023

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

In 2019, investigative journalist and photographer Lynzy Billing went to Afghanistan to investigate a very personal story: her own past. In the process, she discovered what she came to call a classified war, one with lines of accountability so obscured that no one had to answer publicly for operations that went wrong.

Lawfare managing editor Tyler McBrien sat down with Lynzy to talk through her four-year investigation, published last month in ProPublica. They discussed Afghanistan's shady Zero Units and their relationship with the CIA, the traumatic ripple effects caused by this lack of accountability, and why the U.S. continues to rely on a strategy of night raids, which Lynzy describes as quick, brutal operations that went wrong far more often than the U.S. has acknowledged. They also discussed why Lynzy decided to tell this story when few others would. 

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On top of this, there was hundreds of additional operations

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on our kind of self-built data set that we'd put together

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and in those hundreds of additional operations, we just couldn't determine

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if those killed were civilians or militants.

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And I think that's really an important thing to note too

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and we wanted to be really transparent about that because that's also, you know, hundreds of other people

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in those that there's still questions around, you know, who were these people

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that no one was counting and that just kind of seemed to slip away

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into history without, you know, without us really understanding

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who they were and what happened to them.

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I'm Tyler McBride, managing editor of LawFair.

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And this is the LawFair podcast, January 24th, 2023.

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In 2019, investigative journalist and photographer Lindsey Billing

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went to Afghanistan to investigate a very personal story, her own past.

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In the process, she discovered what she came to call

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a classified war, one with lines of accountability so obscured

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