Hi, I'm Josie Duffy Rice, and this is the Justice in America book bonus.

We are here with Lynn Novick and Sarah Botstein of College Behind Bars,

and so we always ask our guests what they're reading, watching,

engaging with, either lately or ever

that you think would influence other people.

This is Sarah.

We were talking about this before the show and thinking about some of the books that really influenced us that we read early on so that's a little bit more what I came with and I'll turn to what I'm reading now, which is a little bit different.

But it's funny to say, but Orange as the new Black had come out just around when we started

shooting and we were starting to spend some time in the women's prison,

which we didn't talk as much about today as we might have as thinking and I actually really enjoyed

that book and thought it was enormously helpful in just understanding the landscape of women

in prison and Piper came and did an event with us in San Francisco and was

great and just has been I think a wonderful spokesperson and advocate. We also

said to Lynn oh what about New Jack,

which she has in her bag, she's reading right now

just about the history of Sing Sing

and how that prison was built

and just understanding different mechanical pieces of it.

I think I talked about Danielle Surratt and until we reckon which came out as we were going around the country with the film and was really impacted all of us.

I read a lot of Tannahasy Coates while we were making this film.

That's two people who have been guests on justice in America.

So that's good. I'm sure I'm going to hit a few others.

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