Welcome to the Eric Mataxes Show. You know they say it's a thin line between love and hate, but we're working every day to thicken that line.

We're at least making a double even triple line. Now here's your line jumping host, Eric Mataxes.

Yeah, we're working all of us as a team to thicken the line and I can't tell you that the effort that goes into thickening that line and therefore I shall not tell you.

We're going to get to something serious right away, something wonderful.

Many of you know that we worked with CSI in December that's Christian Solidarity International to help people who are suffering horribly at the hands of Muslim extremists and when I say people, I mean Christians, people who are specifically targeted because of their faith.

CSI liked what we were doing and asked us if we would continue for the month of January. We said we would be delighted. What I always say with regard to CSI is that, well, and by the way, this is just we're just going to talk about CSI for this segment.

We've we've got a quote unquote regular show in segment number two, but I always say that as harmless things are.

And when we hear about these horrors, they are just unbelievable. The good news is we can do something about it. That's huge because sometimes you cannot do anything. We can do something. That's why I wanted to have on our guest from I guess in December sometime we had on pastor Heidi McGinnis, Heidi McGinnis agreed to come back on the program and she's here now. Heidi, welcome to the program.

Thank you, Eric. Thank you so much for having me back on the show. Well, we love we loved having you because you are someone who really, really understands what's going on because you're one of the people working on the front lines, seeing the horrors and at the same time being able to do something about them.

It was very moving the last time you spoke. So I said, I want my listeners to really understand what's going on from from your point of view.

Thank you for being a part of freedom for so many that are still enslaved in Islamist Sudan. Thank you to the listeners. Thank you really for hearing their prayers and seeing their tears and and having all of us join our hands together to form this holy procession into those slave camps and lifting them up out of slavery and returning them home.

I loved it when you said as horrific as it is. It is also quite wonderful when we can talk about those who are free who are back with family, back with their community, back with their church, back with their country.

And it makes such an enormous difference. You know, I'm thinking of Michael who along with his wife and children was enslaved and he was freed and when he was freed he was compelled to start a church.

So now he leads the church of 750 people over 200 or former slaves. That's a great hallelujah. That's because people said, I can do something. I'm going to do something.

I want to ask you where what country was Michael in he was in Sudan, the islamist Sudan where Omar Hassan al-Bashia has rained a rain of terror against black Sudanese.

We had my dear friend Kevin McCullough, the radio host on this program and he was talking about or he reminded me that government can only do so much. In other words, our government, I don't know, I think it was under the Bush administration.

I can't remember but put an end to the war in Sudan. So they put an end to the war. However, they did not undo the effects of the war.

One of the effects of the war which they allowed, which we, the US allowed to continue, was the enslavement of these captured Christians under these islamists. It's hard for us in the US to believe that somehow we were obliged to allow that to continue, that we could not do something about it.

Do you understand why that was? Because it just amazes me that this happened.

Kevin like you is a champion to free Christians and others enslaved by the islamists through violence, Jehad.

But Kevin is quite right. And what happened was there was no provision made whatsoever for people who were violently ripped out of their community, out of their family life, indigy-hadi slavery.

No provision made for their release, for their freedom, for their repatriation. And in part, and I remember also speaking with someone who helped to negotiate that, that Combrans peace agreement of 2005 under Bush administration.

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