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Deadline: White House

"Lying or incompetence"

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

Msnbc, News, Ms Now, Versant, Politics, Government, The White House, Nicolle Wallace, Daily News, Washington Dc

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 4 December 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Nicolle Wallace on the scrutiny over Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth leadership mounting on two fronts today, his role in the likely illegal “double tap” boat strike in the Caribbean, and the Pentagon watchdog that found Hegseth put U.S. personnel at risk with his use of the Signal App.

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0:00.0

In this sense, it looks to me like they're trying to pin the blame on somebody else and not them.

0:09.0

There's a very distinct statement that was said on Sunday.

0:12.0

Secretary Hicks said he had no knowledge of this and it did not happen.

0:16.0

It was fake news. It didn't happen.

0:19.0

And then the next day from the podium with the White House

0:22.0

are saying it did happen. So either he was lying to us on Sunday or he's incompetent and didn't

0:28.1

know what had happened. As a country, we're just going to let people lie to us to our face.

0:35.2

You guys are a Republican asking that question. Hi again, everybody. It's 5 o'clock in New York.

0:39.8

Quote, he's lying or it's incompetence. Neither of those are qualities anyone would want from the person in

0:46.7

charge of leading the mighty United States military, the most lethal and powerful fighting force in the world.

0:53.8

The scrutiny over Defense Secretary Pete Heg powerful fighting force in the world. The scrutiny over

0:55.2

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's leadership of the Pentagon is mounting on two fronts today,

1:00.5

his role in the likely illegal double-tap boat strike in the Caribbean, and the story

1:05.9

we brought you at the top of the last hour that a Pentagon watchdog or inspector general has found that Pete

1:12.1

Hegeseth put U.S. personnel at risk when he used the signal app to communicate with other members

1:18.3

of Donald Trump's national security team. When it comes to the boat strikes, Pete Hegg says

1:23.0

changing story is leaving more questions than answers from saying he watched the operation in an

1:29.3

appearance on Fox News and celebrating and touting it as a success, to saying he was simply too

1:34.6

busy to have watched the entire operation, including the second strike that occurred after the

1:40.6

first strike, and then scapegoating the officer in charge of the operation, Admiral Frank

1:45.9

and Bradley. Pete Hegeseth is making clear that he does not remotely believe that the buck

1:51.7

comes anywhere near him at the Department of Defense. Admiral Bradley, for his part, is a decorated

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