Hey, everybody. It's me, Sam Stein, managing editor at the Bork. I'm here with Catherine Rampel,

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Occasionally. Just going to say. Don't scare people away too much.

No, we've had a little bit of time between our last musical theater once. I'm expecting

some more of that genre. With your

blessing, sure, sure. Today we're going to be talking about Howard Lutnik, the Commerce

Secretary. And what's really been sort of an issue that's kind of like nod at me a little bit,

in that here's a case where a man blatantly lied about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

It's been exposed by the files that have been made public because of this Jeffrey Epstein

Files Act that was passed through the house.

And yet there's no professional consequences for the guy at all, none whatsoever.

So, Catherine, do you want to summarize, why don't you summarize sort of what we know about his relationship with Epstein and how it differs from what he said, like half a year ago or whatever was?

That I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. So I was never in the room with him

socially for business or even philanthropy. If that guy was there, I wasn't going because he's

gross. And so I look back at it as a gift. Yes. He gave me a gift. Yes. Of avoid. So, yeah, that's my story. A won and absolutely done. That's pretty explicit.

Yeah. And he's like, he says he gave me a gift. Yes, avoid.

And so yeah, that's my story.

A one and absolutely done.

It turns out that he undercounted how many times by like several multiples.

Because he seems to have had a lot of contact.

Right.

Friendly contact, business related contact with Jeffrey Epstein in the subsequent years.

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