Welcome to the Conversations That Matter Podcast once again. We have a very special

presentation today or interview I should say. We are blessed to have with us Professor Gregory Scholes who has been a pastor for 40 years, but also is a professor of philosophy at Concordia University, which is a Lutheran school in the Missouri Senate.

So we're going to talk about Lutheran stuff today.

We don't normally do that, I know, but it's important to talk about all the different

denominations that are facing the social justice threat and Lutheranism certainly is not exempt from that.

Professor Scholes also served in the Civil Air Patrol for 22 years doing including missions like search and rescue missions and he's the author of a book on the problem of suffering and you can find out more about him at Lutheran philosopher.com.

That's Lutheran philosopher.com. Thank you so much for joining me.

Professor Scholes.

Thank you, John. The privilege is mine.

So I want to start at the beginning I guess that you sent me an

article I'd actually already seen it from the Federalist by Joy Pullman on March 7th.

And it starts off with you being locked out of your classes

and your email account at Concordia University.

And it is related to your pushback against the social justice movement.

So I'd like to start off with a pretty basic question for you.

Were you expecting that when you started pushing back?

Well, thanks for asking.

I think in retrospect, I should have been expecting it.

I suppose, you know, even in our prayers and so forth if we're aware of it and we're asking the

Lord for guidance the sort of thing doesn't really sink in until it actually does happen.

So the rough outline was that back on Valentine's Day, actually, a high church festival for us.

Back on Valentine's Day, I had published an article in Christian

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