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You can have a great relationship at a staff level,

but if the two members don't get along or don't like each other,

it's going to be hard to actually execute and do things.

But I've seen other times where the staff relationship is really good.

The members don't know each other, but realize their staff have a good relationship

and see an opportunity there where, okay, if I can trust them at a staff level,

that's a good indicator that I can trust them at a member level.

And that really opens up the opportunity.

I mean, one kind of big thing that we did last Congress is Katz and Russia's sanctions.

And we were apart on that.

And if we went in assuming that you're on the opposite side of a national security issue,

you must not care about America.

Then getting to the next step of compromise and what can we agree on is very, very difficult.

And I actually think that's not just related to national security bills and security issues.

That's true on all sorts of different issues, healthcare, immigration.

So if we just immediately assume, oh, that person must not be a patriot

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