Well, Luke Moon, thank you for coming on my podcast, the Conversations That Matter podcast, and being willing to talk to me as someone who is a self-described Christian Zionist.

I am that.

So we could title the podcast,

how to make $7,000 really quick, right? I wish. I mean, I really, one of these days,

you know, maybe it stacks up. Maybe there's a bank somewhere where, you know,

where they store it for a while.

Well, I want to add you on because you understand,

I think,

some of the issues at play in the whole discussion about Israel,

Zionism, Palestine, the West Bank.

And also what you've done is very similar to something I've done.

And I want the audience to know this because many people know me as the guy who tracked social justice in evangelical circles and saw that from the late 60s and early 70s forward.

There's been this movement to reconcile new left ideas with conservative Christian ideas,

guys like Richard Mao and Ron Sider, 1973 Chicago Declaration, Luzane.

There's a whole bunch of names and events that I could mention.

Most people that listen to me know about that.

But I didn't focus on Israel, even though I came across it in a literature sometimes.

Sojourners in the 1980s is writing about the oppressive state of Israel and the poor plight of the Palestinians.

And I ignored it, I think, because we were dealing with the 2020 Wokeness incursion, Israel seemed like a peripheral

issue. Now it's not a peripheral issue.

And I am seeing narratives that I was exposed to in that research now coming out of the

mouth of people who call themselves conservative, right-leaning Christians. And it's almost the same

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