Welcome to In the Well. I'm Matt Murphy, former homicide prosecutor, and I'm joined by my good friend and co-host, Mark Gergos, criminal defense attorney to the stars.

Today on the show, we're going to get into the judge's ruling on the critical evidence in the Luigi Mangione case,

the Palisade Arsonist's fixation with Luigi, and later we will be joined by my friend and

Newport Beach detective Dave Byington to dig into the nobody case. We work together and also

the Brian Hooker case and some of the parallels with that. But first, Mark, let's talk about Luigi.

What you take on the judge's ruling on the evidence this week?

By all accounts, I don't practice in state court in New York,

but by all accounts, reading the law, I think the judge was spot on.

It's an interesting ruling. I still think that the big fight here is state versus federal.

They still have an analog to what we used to have in California,

which is a once-in in jeopardy from another jurisdiction.

I think the big battle here is who goes first. And then because then if it's the feds go first

and they don't get a or they get a conviction on a lesser, I think that's going to bar the New York

State prosecution.

The difference in the federal and state, at least on this inevitable discovery, the way

I read the law, is that the federal, it would have come in or it will come in, the

stuff that's been suppressed.

On the state side, I think the

judge was absolutely right in his decision, excluding it. But the stuff that he has left to come in

is still an uphill battle for the defense. But, you know, one of the things, Matt, that the specter of this case is the Ouichi's got a constituency. He's got a

demographic that is supportive of him. And that's not, as a prosecutor, you normally don't face that.

And as a defense lawyer, it's very rare, except if you've got somebody who's

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