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Design Matters with Debbie Millman

Lucy Sante

Design Matters with Debbie Millman

Design Matters Media

Arts, Design

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2024

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Renowned writer, cultural critic, and scholar of the demimonde Lucy Sante joins to discuss her career and a new memoir, “I Heard Her Call My Name,” reflecting on her transition and self-actualization in her sixties.

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0:00.0

Ted Audio Collective

0:05.0

collective

0:16.1

For more than 55 years I lived in a state of denial that kept my gender quandary suspended as it pickled in a chore. I passed through periods of indulgence when I would give in in daydream.

0:20.5

I had a range of stock fantasies that I rotated and embroidered upon, cast as a girl

0:26.2

the school play, then persuaded to go out on the town in costume, hired as an assistant by a wealthy society woman who amuses herself by dressing me up as a girl.

0:37.0

New roommate assigned to me in college has been dressing as a girl for years and has a full wardrobe. But they were transvestite fantasies to my thinking

0:47.2

ultimately sterile. Then I would have periods of repudiation when I would banish any such thoughts and

0:54.2

diagnosed my situation as a fetish and unhealthy ideation, a neurosis that I

0:59.3

imagine might be cured by a good relationship with a strong woman who would fully bring out the man in me.

1:06.4

In both of these states, I kept my assorted gender questions and fixations scattered around

1:11.6

different regions of my consciousness, refusing to accord them coherence.

1:17.3

Thoughts about appearance went over here.

1:19.4

My various failures to fulfill a male role went over there the more existential questions were thrown on a shelf.

1:29.9

From the TED audio collective this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

1:34.0

For 19 years, Debbie Milman has been talking with designers and other creative people

1:41.0

about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

1:45.0

On this episode Lucy Sont talks about changing genders late in life.

1:51.0

I knew it was real. I the minute my egg cracked so to speak I knew this was real. Before her latest book, Lucy Sondt had written, edited, or translated a shelf full of books,

2:10.0

fiction and non-fiction, and a mountain of short pieces for magazines like the New York

2:16.2

Review of Books. In 2021 at the age of 66 Lucy shared an announcement that she had joined the other team and was

2:26.4

transitioning and that her pronoun, thank you very much, was she. We should consider ourselves lucky for all of the above because she has

2:36.2

written about the experience and her life both wittily and magnificently in her

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