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Hello, who can tell Keir Stama that he's getting things wrong?

My guest on political thinking this week says she is the one who can do it.

She is Lucy Powell, who's one of only two candidates and currently the frontrunner to be Keir Starmer's new deputy

leader replacing Angela Rader who was forced to resign from the cabinet. Lucy Powell was in Starmer's

cabinet herself until two weeks ago as the leader of the House of Commons but she was

sat by the prime minister in the big reshuffle that were supposed

to reset her government. The two may find they're working closer together than Kirstama ever

expected. Lucy Powell, welcome to political thinking. Hello. I wouldn't say I're the front

runner, but anyway. The polls say you're the front runner, but maybe they're wrong.

It's been quite a couple of weeks for you, haven't you? One minute you're in the cabinet, then you're

out of the cabinet, and now you're running in this hugely important election to be deputy

leader of the Labour Party, what's it be like for you? I mean, it is a hugely important election,

and it's been really full on, and a huge whirlwind, to be honest.

And I think if I came up for air and really thought about it, I probably wouldn't be doing it at all.

But, yeah, I'm glad I'm in it.

But I'm just taking each day as it comes at the moment.

Was it a shock to lose your job in the capital?

A kind of shock but not a total surprise.

I know I'm not really in the in crowd

and I don't really sort of play some of the parlour games

and I had fed back things that maybe weren't with hindsight,

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