Hi, this is Steve Martin.

You might know me from among other things, my TV show Only Murders in the Building, where

I play a guy who records podcasts.

In real life, I'm a guy that made an audiobook.

It's called So Many Steves, afternoons with Steve Martin.

I created it with my friend, New Yorker writer, Adam Gopnik, and you can find it at pushkin.fm

and wherever audiobooks are sold.

Pushkin.

Lucinda Williams is Define Convention.

While most of her peers have settled until Well-Worn Groove, the 67-year-old Alt Country icon

just released an album that's way more punk than country.

Lucinda's early projects were folk ways records.

And sonically, she fit right in with the label's other releases by Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger,

and Leadbelly.

But her first big success came in the late 80s after she left her Foki persona behind,

in favor of a more modern sound, something like a Bonnie Raight meets Bruce Springsteen.

And now she's changing it up again.

She compares her latest album's raw grit to early stuages records.

Lucinda's snarling and growling all over the place, like she was Iggy Pop.

And she's getting critical of claim.

Rolling Stone says her album is electrifying and calls it her best release in years.

Lucinda spoke with Bruce Hadlam from her home in Nashville about her evolving sound,

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