From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

It's The Treatment.

I'm Elvis Mitchell.

You can also hear the show at KCRW.com.

It's always nice to have somebody on the show that I know

and somebody who I was a fan of before I knew her.

I knew her as an actor and a musician,

one of the stars of the much-lamented HBO series Tremay.

She is an incredibly talented, both actor, violinist, the only person I know who's ever started a Hallmark Christmas film.

Lucia McIrelli, first of all, thank you so much for being here.

And I wanted to talk to you about something you once said that I think really applies what I've heard from the new anthropology, which I thought

was a really interesting thing. It kind of describes you a lot. You once said, you know, if you've

been trained to listen to mistakes your whole life, you forget to listen to opportunities.

For me, if I may be so bold to misinterpret this,

but the pivot point between moving from classical to, I think,

the more fully felt American music in which there kind of really are no mistakes. And also just the shift from thinking about music as a expression of perfection and thinking about it more as just an expression of human experience and

the human condition, which, you know, strangely, I think the big moment for me where I made that

shift, because, I mean, it sounds crazy to other people,

but, you know, I just started so young. And when you're in something like a classical instrument

or you're in a conservatory when you're like 10 and, you know, I imagine it's the same for like

gymnasts or, you know, Prodigy sports players

where it just becomes, you're just so focused on executing everything perfectly, and it's

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