Welcome to the weekend edition of the Daily Stoic. Each weekday we bring you a meditation

inspired by the ancient Stoics, something to help you live up to those four Stoic virtues

of courage, justice, temperance and wisdom. And then here on the weekend we take a deeper

dive into those same topics. We interview Stoic philosophers, we explore at length how

these Stoic ideas can be applied to our actual lives and the challenging issues of our time.

Here on the weekend when you have a little bit more space when things have slowed down,

be sure to take some time to think, to go for a walk, to sit with your journal and most importantly

to prepare for what the week ahead may bring.

Hey, it's Ryan Holiday. Welcome to another episode of the Daily Stoic Podcast. This episode is

part two of my interview with Captain Dave Carey, a POW in Vietnam. He served on the same ship,

took off from the same ship, was shot down in the same plane as Admiral James Stockdale,

who we've talked about many times before. And we just had a beautiful chat out here at the

Painted Port. He lives in Georgetown. We had a beautiful chat about his experiences,

about testing these Stoic ideas in the laboratory of human experience. I was just so struck by

the scene he talks about getting a knock on the wall and then sort of getting past the message,

hey, remember, Stockdale says, you know, remember what Epictetus said, you know, just the idea,

Stockdale, just assuming that all his fellow prisoners were equally briefed on philosophy. I just

found that to be both hilarious and beautiful. And Dave and I had a great conversation. It was

truly an honor to talk with him. And I think you're really going to like this. He said something I've

been thinking a lot about actually ever since he said, when you're having a conversation, remember

the goal is always to get to the next conversation. You don't want to close doors with people,

you don't want to close people off. You don't want to say things that can't be unsaid. Which

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