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As a husband, I really try to love my wife Dina well and something that helped

me along the way was hearing someone say, she's a daughter of the king. She's

God's daughter. I'm John Fuller, along with Greg and Aaron Smolley. They lead

our marriage department. And we're going to hear more about a perspective that

you should have as you go through married life together. Gary Thomas is the

author of a number of wonderful marriage books, including a lifelong love. And

here he is talking with Jim Daley at an event we held on this campus here at

Focus on the Family for married couples. I also was caught by something that

you mentioned in the book where you encourage spouses to become counselors for

the defense side of the courtroom rather than on the prosecution side. Okay, I

just got to say we got a lot of married couples here. How many of us tend to work

for the prosecuting attorney at times in your marriage? Anybody want to put your

hand up? Well, look, nobody just me. I just John and me. All right, okay, there's

okay, three more. Okay, but how is that the case? Why do we not first go to

defend our spouse rather than go to the prosecutor's bench? Well, I believe a

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