Lovett or Leave It Presents: Bravo, America! (with Parvati Shallow)

Lovett or Leave It

Crooked Media

Comedy, News

4.7 • 25.1K Ratings

🗓️ 21 October 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Parvati Shallow on femininity and flirtation as reality TV weapons, and how the "Black Widow" moniker cast a shadow on her real-life relationships. Parvati talks about her strange childhood informed her decision to compete on Survivor, how reality TV has evolved, and how she has evolved with it. She's been a contestant on The Traitors, Deal or No Deal Island, and five seasons of Survivor, and being seen as a vixen-coded "villain" has given her a singular look into the expectations for women on screen and off. A fascinating conversation with one of the greats. And for an even deeper look into Parvati’s story, check out her book, “Nice Girls Don't Win: How I Burned It All Down to Claim My Power.” For a closed-captioned version of this episode, click here. For a transcript of this episode, please email [email protected] and include the name of the podcast.

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0:00.0	Which of these politicians you think would do well on Survivor?
0:03.5	Are you ready?
0:04.9	Donald Trump.
0:07.0	Oh, God.
0:08.7	No, he's not one for ruffin it.
0:10.3	His face would melt off.
0:11.8	His skin.
0:12.5	Is it even real skin?
0:14.0	It's like latex.
0:15.4	It would just...
0:16.0	Lollolol.
0:20.4	Hey, everybody. It's John Lovett, and this is Lovett or Leave it presents Bravo,
0:25.8	America.
0:26.5	I'm sitting down with some of my favorite icons of reality TV because I genuinely believe
0:31.5	you cannot understand politics in this moment if you don't understand the dynamics of reality
0:37.1	television. Congresswoman Sarah
0:39.0	McBride put it perfectly on Potsave America earlier this year. Some of my colleagues are treating
0:43.7	me the way they are treating me for a couple of reasons. One, it's because they want attention,
0:48.1	right? They want to employ the strategies of a Bravo TV show to get attention in a body of 435 people. And the way to do that is to pick
0:57.3	a fight with someone and throw a wine in their face. So today I'm talking to Survivor's Black Widow,
1:02.6	Poverty Shallow. She just went on a pretty interesting run on this season of Survivor, Australia
1:08.9	versus the world, after which she announced her official
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