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Trump says this kind of thing all the time, which is it's great to be loved. It's fine to be hated. The only thing you can't be is boring. I agree. And, you know, we talked to... I can't believe I'm agreeing with that, but okay. I know. That's going to be the first time. We'll see if it's the last. Love it or leave it. It's love it or leave it. Hey, everybody. It's John Lovett. Welcome back to Love It or Leave It presents. Bravo, America. I'm sitting down with some of my favorite personalities from reality TV because I genuinely believe that you cannot understand politics in this moment if you don't understand the dynamics of reality

television. Here's how Congresswoman Sarah McBride put it on Potsave America earlier this year.

Some of my colleagues are treating me the way they are treating me for a couple of reasons.

One, it's because they want attention, right? They want to employ the strategies of a Bravo TV show

to get attention in a body of 435 people.

And the way to do that is to pick a fight with someone and throw a wine in their face.

Today is a big day for me because I am talking to the one and only Durinda Medley,

one of the icons from the Real Housewives of New York, the queen of making it nice.

It was so much fun talking to Durinda about everything from

how she sees her time on Roney, her thoughts on what our elected officials can learn from the

housewives, and surprisingly how she feels about her former castmate Ramona's singer today

and Ramona's chances if she ever decided to run for office. Truly, it was such a blast, such a charismatic and interesting and

vulnerable person, but also a really tough person, which is, I think, two of the qualities

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