I thought that it was worth it to look into this moment to kind of undo the reductive tale that had been

sort of put forth which was like this is the fight between blacks and Jews between blacks and whites

and kind of unfurl that a little bit.

Hello and welcome to Wise This Happening With Me, your host Chris Hayes.

You know, after all of the discourse in 2020 in the wake of George Floyd about the sort of racial

reckoning and all of the sort of language you've heard about like, you know, these

cumbersome conversations about American race and racial equity and white supremacy and reforming

or abolishing even in some corners policing and in empirical terms like as far as we can tell

unprecedented level of street protest that we've never seen in American history. You know, when

you take stock two years later, it feels like we're like that felt like a kind of high water

mark moment of sort of possibility for progressive change that felt true through different parts

in the Trump years 2017 and like me too, particularly felt like a moment of like radical

possibility opening up around gender equity and patriarchy. And now that I'm 43 like and have been

you know, covering politics for long enough, I've been around the carousel enough to know that

like there are moments that feel full of progressive possibility and then the reactionary moments

that feel like where the worst sort of forces feel more ascendant and you know, I felt that post

9-11 in the US as one example, particularly in the run up to the Iraq war, you know, coming out of

Barack Obama's election, which felt like this high water mark of progressive hope and then like

2010 and the Tea Party and all that stuff, Donald Trump's election. Right now feels like a pretty

scarier reactionary moment to me and you see it on display in a lot of places, particularly on

the day that I'm talking to you now, Katana Gibra and Jackson, who's been nominated to be the first

black woman on the Supreme Court is at her hearings and you know, she's been faced with this just like

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