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The Esau McCaulley Podcast

Love in a Time of Outrage: Recovering the Center of Paul's Theology

The Esau McCaulley Podcast

Esau McCaulley

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture

5.01.1K Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

When most people think of the Apostle Paul, they picture a guy who cares more about doctrine and judgment than love. But what if I told you that the guy who wrote the most famous chapter on love in the Bible actually built his whole theology around it? Esau McCaulley talks with New Testament scholar Nijay Gupta about his new book The Affections of Christ and why Paul might be the Bible's most misunderstood writer. They explore what Paul really says about love, how emotion theory helps us read the Bible better, and why recovering Paul's tender side could help the church in a time of outrage, division, and burnout. Also, whatever happened to Ned Flanders?
 

0:00 - Theme Song

 

2:03 - Last Time Your Church Made You Feel Loved

 

7:10 - Paul and Love?

 

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17:00 - The Bible's Emotional!

 

27:50 - Covenant vs. Court

 

40:04 - Was He Rehabilitating Paul's Image?

 

49:32 - End Credits

 

The Affections of Christ Jesus: Love at the Heart of Paul's Theology by NIjay Gupta: https://a.co/d/82LsTS0

 

Paul and the Language of Faith by Nijay Gupta: https://a.co/d/bROX4lx

 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Passion in my pockets where my pennies should be.

0:10.0

What they selling is cheap so I'm buying that this freedom is free.

0:13.0

I've been becoming me.

0:15.0

See when Jesus taking the lead with purpose I bleed and riles like doing under the heat.

0:19.0

Defeat is a never.

0:20.0

You can't reattach

0:21.2

with a sever what's bringing you pleasure can tell you where you stacking your treasure

0:24.6

when storm is your weather know that it gets worse for it's better

0:27.5

welcome to the holy post podcast I'm your host I'm your host, Issa McCauley.

0:37.9

I'm joined by our producer, who is not the co-host, but who is currently on screen a lot. Michael, welcome to the podcast. Thanks, Issa. I'm not the co-host, but I think I'm an instrumental part of this podcast. You're a part of the podcast. And we also have Nijit Gupta. I want to make sure I have this correct. the Julius R. Mantee professor of New Testament and Northern Seminaries.

0:57.5

Is that correct?

0:58.0

That's right. Yeah, that's right. And I might call you Neidjay from here on now, but just to give you a little bit of context. We're here to talk about your book, The Afections of Paul. Did I say that correctly? The Affections of Christ Jesus. The connection of Christ, recovering the heart of Paul's theology. Did that get it correct? No. No.

1:14.2

Okay. See, I didn't have it in front of me. I should have written it down. He's testing me. I knew it was the affection of the Christ. I was thinking, give me the title, NeJ. So I don't mess it up. All right. The affections of Christ Jesus, love at the heart of Paul's theology. Okay, then. See, that's what I said. But it's not what you said. It's not what you said. That's fair. That's fair. I was so caught up and get into the next part. Forgive me for what you're in the title. Normally we play this game called, are you washed? and that's whether or not you have the idea is do you have the competence to discuss the matter at hand.

1:46.9

But I feel like we've been a little bit too silly in the are you washed part. And so I thought that we should do something a little bit more, because we're going to talk about the affections of Christ. Yeah. I felt like we should do something with a little bit more like with a love theme oh i like that and so i thought that

2:01.7

this week we were asked this question when was the last time or the most recent time of the thing

2:06.8

that jumps to your imagination it was someone and i thought about going romantic love but i said this is not

2:11.5

about romance this is we're not going to talk about when you and your spouse met or whatever yeah yeah

2:16.9

once the last time i remember the church showed you love.

2:19.3

I will start us off.

2:20.3

And this one isn't even gonna be that deep because it happened on church on Sunday.

2:25.3

So I was preaching.

2:27.3

This is gonna sound like not that deep, but it really met them a lot to me.

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