Hello, beloved survivors.

How's everybody doing out there?

We're still on break, but we have some sweet bonus content that we are putting in the feed.

And today we are so excited to run an episode of a show we love.

The show we love is called Love in a fucked up world World, and it's Dean Spade's new podcast that is related to his amazing new book.

And the episode that we're going to run in our feed today is an episode featuring Mariam Kaba.

So Mariam joins Dean to talk about the dangers of putting leaders on pedestals and our movements,

what to do when you or someone you know is getting canceled,

how to relate to the concept of hope in this time,

and how norms about sex and romance influence

resistance work and how we let go of uncertainty. We really hope you love this episode as much

as we do. We deeply admire both Miriam and Dean and we are so excited to get to feature them on the show today.

Happy listening.

I'm Dean Spade.

Welcome to episode five of Love in a Fucked Up World, the podcast, where we talk about how to build and sustain strong connections with each other because our resistance movements are made of our relationships and are only as strong as they are.

I wanted to say thank you to everybody who's been supporting the podcast.

I really appreciate everyone who's listening, subscribing, and sharing

episodes with friends. If you've been finding the podcast useful, I'd love to hear from you.

You can find links to contact me in the show notes, or you can leave messages at Apple Podcasts

or Spotify. I'm excited to share this new episode with you because it features a conversation

with someone whose work and organizing have been hugely influential to me and to our movements.

Mariam Kaba is an abolitionist and anti-violence organizer, writer, and thinker. In addition to being

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