My name is Stan. I'm at. Nice to meet you. So you took up photography where? I've always loved

photography but I turn it into earning a living at 60. I enrolled on a day course.

Well college. I loved going to college. It's good you can retry. I'm enrolled on the day course. But college?

I loved going to college.

It's good you can retrain and do something.

Yeah, yeah.

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The key to activism is to stay active, reading, learning,

calling, writing, collecting and sharing information, using everyone you know to try to reach

decision makers and advocating for change even when it feels out of reach.

You have to imagine a world as you want it and start working to create it.

Those are the words of Shirin Tadrus, my guest today, who left

a flourishing career as Sky News Middle East correspondent to become an activist. She is now the

head of the New York Office for Amnesty International and its representative to the UN.

And she has written about it in taking sides an exceptionally smart, thoughtful,

often funny and touching book.

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