I'm seeing radical feminists use exactly the same rhetorical strategies to try and avoid facing up to the truth, as was used against them.

The tension between proponents of feminism and proponents of diversity. Now, this has been a thing for some time.

I mean, my sense is that progressives are panicked in all sorts of ways, but particularly on this.

And I feel like when you're playing these language games,

it's probably because actually we've strayed quite far from reality. The big question is whether modernity survives. Yeah. I'm rooting for modernity in the end, like for all of the problems

with it. I mean, I like the internet and I really like my washing machines. And I really like

C-sections and antibiotics. So I'm very much rooting for modernity.

But even if modernity doesn't survive.

Welcome to Socrates Dialogues.

I'm Mary Harrington.

And today I'm joined by Louise Perry, Wall Street Journal columnist, author of the

Case Against the Sexual Revolution,

and host of the fantastic podcast, Maiden Mother Matriarch.

Welcome, Louise.

Hello.

Louise, we've known each other for a little while, and in the course of our conversations,

we've talked a lot about how we came to form the views that we now have.

Now, you've, you've talked previously in public about your education at SOAS, which is a

notoriously progressive, I think we might say woke university in, was it cultural anthropology?

Or something along those lines.

I think social anthropology is what it was called.

And how you cut your teeth professionally as a campaigner on violence against women.

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