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you can read my work on ESPN.com. I have a story up now about the early, early impact of the veteran leadership, notably with Bobby Wagner

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private, I'm going to have a private Zoom for you with former tight end Logan Paulson at some point

after the mini camp end. So stay tuned for information on that. Your chance to ask him

the questions that you want to know from him. So in a minute, I'll be joined by ESPN's

Lewis Riddick as we break down the commander's offseason and talk a lot about Jaden Daniels,

why he felt Daniels was to, the best quarterback in this draft.

And that's something I've, I told you before.

It's something I've heard from other people that certainly there was some people who

felt like he was now.

Clearly more people felt like Caleb Williams was, but Daniels certainly had a, had some people who felt he was for

sure. And Lewis, Riddick is among them, but even in the league, there are definitely some

people who felt like he was maybe the better number one pick. And, and I told you before, more people I

talked to felt the gap between he and Jaden was more

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