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Welcome to another episode of Pastor Mike, dynamic voices for a diverse church.

Powered by the Witness, a black Christian collective.

I'm your host, Tyler Burns.

You can follow me on Instagram and X at Burns Klan.

Please follow at your own risk.

And joining me, as always, is the founder of the witness, the founder of Pastor Mike.

He has a very extensive bio.

He is the man, the myth, the legend, the three-time bestselling author.

He is the Harvard College Speaker.

He is Mr. Bluecheck verified himself.

You can follow his writings at Jamar Tit Tisbee.substack.com.

Dr. Jemar Tisby, what's going on, brother?

I don't know how you determine bestseller status. I think the Tyler Burns bestseller list

is a little bit different, but I'll take it. Just go with it. Just go with it.

Yeah, man. What's going on, bro? You were at Harvard? You were all over the map, man. What's going on, bro? You were you at Harvard? You were all over the map, man. Yeah, that was fun. This thing came up, like, out of the blue, it threw a DM. And at the last minute, it was like within a week from initial invitation to execution. Wow. And I went and I was nervous, bro, because, I mean, it's Harvard.

It's an executive education course.

And these are like not undergrad students.

These are executives in major corporations internationally as well as in the U.S.

And I chose to talk about all the things you're not supposed to talk about.

Race, religion, and politics.

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