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True Murder, with your host, journalist and author, Dan Zupansky.

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the most shocking killers in true crime history, and the authors that have written about them.

Celcia King was a popular high school senior, an outstanding achiever determined to make a difference.

14-year-old Amber De Waugh loved books and poured her heart into the animal she cared for.

Treasured by their families and friends, both girls disappeared in San Diego County, just eight miles and one year apart.

The community's desperate search led authorities to John Albert Gardner III, a brutal predator hiding in plain sight.

Now Pulitzer-enominated author, Caitlin Rother, delivers an incisive heartbreaking true crime thriller that touches our deepest fears.

The book that we are featuring this evening is Lost Girls by my special guest, journalist and author, Caitlin Rother.

Welcome back to the program, and thank you for agreeing to this interview, Caitlin Rother.

Thanks for having me on again.

Thank you very much for coming back on.

This is a very, very interesting case, and again, very much a true crime, very heartbreaking, but still a fascinating story for those listening.

Now, you start off your book and you dedicate a fair amount of your book, and I understand why and True Crime fans will as well.

The subject of this book is John Gardner.

Take us way back, take us back to the very beginning, his formative years, his parents, describe his early life, take us back, please.

Well, I think his history actually starts before he's even born.

In my mind, his mother was very a big part of this story because I believe that they had such a complicated and codependent relationship

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