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Hello, you're listening to the Red Box Poltics podcast. I'm Patrick McGuire,

sitting in for maturely on this bank holiday Monday. We've got a great episode for you today,

if I do say so myself. Of course, we've been talking a lot about the next Prime Minister,

who's going to win the Tory leadership race, who's going to be in their cabinet,

and will that really include John Redwood? But what about the loser? I took a look at

history's political losers, and what Rishi Sunak or Liz Truss might learn from them,

once we know the result, as they're banished to the bat benches. Lots to learn there,

but if whatever, we have our columnist panel first. Today, it's Libby Purvis and Rachel Conlon.

The columnists on Times Radio, thoughts. Now it's time for our favourite part of the show.

Our all-star columnist panel, it's time to talk to some of the best names in the business,

and today we have Libby Purvis from the Times Morning Libby. Morning. And Rachel Conlon from the

New States and Morning Rachel. Morning. How are you both doing this morning? How you doing, Libby?

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