So if she says she has the most empathy for herself, that's not empathy.

Hello, hello. We are with once again our dear friend, Brianna Whitney, with True Crime, Arizona.

And Brianna, you have now interviewed the woman that she'll not be named, but I will say one more time,

Lori Deval, three times, this last time right before she was sentenced.

And it is an interesting interview.

Lucky for me, my co-host, who is to your other side is Dr. John Mathias, a criminal and

forensic, no, a forensic, which is a criminal and clinical psychologist. I get that mixed up a lot.

Also, my husband, hello, dear. The house was a little messy when I returned, but we'll talk about that later.

But thank you for keeping the dishes and laundry going.

You did great.

I appreciate you so much.

Yeah, the house wasn't a total disaster, right?

It was okay.

It was okay.

I mean, there were a lot of Pokemon cards, a lot of Pokemon cards scattered around, but we took care of us. But nonetheless, back to Brianna.

Brianna, we're so grateful that you'll spend some time with us because we watched this clip of your interview with Lori. I had some interesting things that I noted from it. I would love to pick your brain about it.

I'd love for us both to ask Dr. John some questions. This time was different. Tell us why it was

different. Like you weren't in front of her. Why was that? Why were you on the phone with her?

Yeah. A lot of people have asked that question. So she had done one other interview

after her convictions and that reporter had brought M&Ms. And at that point, I don't know if he

planned on giving them to her or not. She wanted them, she had requested them. They were on the table.

People, members of her team team kind of tried to get them

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