Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

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Welcome to Survive and the Survivor.

It is the podcast that brings you the very best guests in all of true crime.

And I keep that voiceover with my name pronounced incorrectly just to keep me humble and in place.

Nothing better than a daily reminder that even your voiceover guy does not know your name.

So, um, and I'm, people say it is my name.

It is not my name.

I've listened to that so many times.

She says, Walden, E.N.

But we're working on a new show open, and we will have a new voice.

It has been a wild day in the Lori Valadeo trial.

Of course, she is on trial for conspiracy to commit murder of her fourth husband, Charles

Valo. It's all going down in Maricopa County, Arizona. We're going to be joined in just

probably two or three minutes by Megan Connor, who is Lori's cousin. But now we have the distinct

pleasure of being joined by Lori Hellas, who by the way, I kind of put her on the spot earlier, but she has volunteered.

It is a Jewish holiday on Monday, but Lori is going to step in and do the stream hosting of the trial.

She is a criminal defense attorney by trade, and she is the author, as you see behind her, of children of darkness and light,

a book you should definitely buy.

I think the COE put a link into the YouTube summary, but she spent a lot of time working on it,

and it is available anywhere books are sold.

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