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The Winston Marshall Show

Lord Nigel Biggar - ‘Britain Invaded Countries to Stop Slavery!’ - The Inconvenient TRUTH About Slavery

The Winston Marshall Show

Winston Marshall

Society & Culture

4.8660 Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2026

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of The Winston Marshall Show, I sit down with moral philosopher and theologian Lord Nigel Biggar for a rigorous conversation on slavery, reparations, British history, and the moral limits of historical guilt.


We examine growing demands for reparations from Britain, including calls from CARICOM, the African Union, and the Church of England, and ask whether modern Britons can justly be held responsible for crimes committed centuries ago. Biggar explains why slavery was a universal historical practice, why Britain was among the first nations to abolish it, and how the anti slavery movement became one of the first mass human rights campaigns in history.


The discussion explores the Atlantic slave trade, African and Arab slavery, Britain’s role in abolition, the West Africa Squadron, and the immense financial and human cost Britain paid to suppress slavery worldwide. We also debate whether present day inequalities can be causally traced to historic slavery, and whether reparations clarify or distort moral responsibility.


We turn to faith, history, and national memory, examining how Britain should teach slavery, abolition, and empire, and whether movements like reparations and Black History Month promote reconciliation or deepen division.


A serious and searching conversation about history, justice, responsibility, and how nations should reckon with the past without surrendering to permanent guilt.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction

02:08 Britain's Involvement in the Atlantic Slave Trade

07:35 Comparative Slavery and Historical Context

11:33 Media Bias and Reparations

15:37 British State's Involvement and Church of England's Reparations

20:52 The Abolition Movement and British Anti-Slavery Efforts

30:04 The West Africa Squadron and British Anti-Slavery Expenses

33:44 Historical Context and Modern Implications

43:11 Reparations and Historical Responsibility

52:22 Final Thoughts


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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Winston Marshall Show with me, Winston Marshall. I sat down with Lord Nigel Bigger to discuss his new book, Reparations. We had a look at the current arguments for and against reparations that are being put very much in the discourse in Britain, in Westminster and in the media. We had a look at the history of slavery in the British Empire and beyond.

0:24.3

The history of defeating slavery.

0:26.8

The history of slavery of white Europeans in Africa.

0:30.8

The history of the Arab slavery and the Ottoman slavery.

0:34.6

All of this and much more.

0:36.2

Before you hear from Lord Bigger, I ask if you want to

0:39.2

support the show, remember to press follow and subscribe wherever you get your podcast from. And if you

0:44.8

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0:50.9

to ask future guests your questions. That's all at winston-martial.co.uk.

0:58.3

Thank you for listening and without further ado, Lord Nigel Bigger.

1:03.6

Lord Bigger, great to see you.

1:05.2

Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule to come and talk to me.

1:08.8

And congratulations on your new book reparations. Thank, Winston. I'm really glad to be come and talk to me. And congratulations on your new book, Reparations.

1:11.9

Thank, Winston. I'm really glad to be here to talk about it. Yeah, so we're going to look at reparations,

1:17.9

and obviously it's coming back up, Lenny Henry's got a new book. The African Union is set to demand

1:22.6

meaningful reparations from Britain. The Church of England have this ongoing commitment, which is actually, I think it's originally

1:31.8

a hundred million pound fund, but to a billion.

1:35.0

They want to grow up to a billion, yes.

1:36.3

To address their previous involvement in the slave trade, which I'd love to get into with

1:42.1

you.

1:42.5

Good.

1:42.8

And then there's an APPG group on African reparations, African spelt with a K, I noticed.

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