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The Story

Lord Frost and the fight for the soul of the Conservative Party

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🗓️ 25 July 2022

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Tonight, the two contenders for prime minister take part in their first head-to-head TV debate. Meanwhile, unnoticed by the general public, one former diplomat has played a key role in the contest, as part of his mission to create a new ideological faction. The Frost story – and various sliding doors moments along the way – could explain how the Conservative Party got to this point, and where it’s heading…

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0:00.0

Was it a threat, or a promise, or just an old movie line?

0:12.0

Hasta la vista, baby, thank you!

0:17.6

Older people know that that was Arnold Schwarzenegger's most famous line from the film The Terminator.

0:23.2

It translates as, see you again, but life is not a movie.

0:28.4

As a big-time politician, Johnson is probably gone, but one of his closest advisers, a former

0:34.7

whiskey salesman, turned lord, turned minister, is very much around.

0:39.9

More on that in a moment.

0:41.6

For, as the defenestrated PM worked his notice period, the race to succeed him was entering

0:47.8

its long, final phase.

0:50.5

Suneck, one, three, seven, truss, one, one, three.

0:55.5

Well, there it is, Liz Truss and Rishi Suneck, Rishi Suneck.

1:00.2

Suneck Truss has been cast as an ideological struggle.

1:04.8

It is if you like the battle of ideas for the direction of the Conservative Party, is it more?

1:10.7

Suneck's place in the final two seemed like a surest thing from the beginning.

1:15.0

He was always ahead.

1:16.8

But Liz Truss's chances changed radically during an aggressive campaign characterized by

1:22.3

infighting and sniping.

1:24.9

Some of it, from a power broker, you've probably never heard of.

1:28.6

David to his mates, Baron Frost of Alenton, to you and me.

1:33.1

To be clear, I think a lot of people have very kindly said to me, they hope I might come

1:37.6

back.

1:38.6

I was going to come onto that.

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