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Hello and to this country on the kind of transport after the Nazis invaded his native Czechoslovakia

is, for my money, one of the most inspiring political figures of our time and yet you probably

haven't come across him until relatively recently with his attempts to persuade

government to show the same sort of compassion and charity to Syrian refugees,

particularly children that he was shown at the age of six when he was

essentially spirited out of Prague in the dead of night, but you'll hear his story now. We'll begin if we may, Lord Dubs, at the beginning of your life because...

By the way, I'm Alf. I shall call you shall call you but I was waiting for the

I was waiting for the permission that's a relief alf I've seen you speak before I was

at a recent andFrank Trust event where you spoke of your story and

as a middle-aged man today looking at politics in Britain and also in America and more broadly.

I thought that the events you had to flee in 1932 almost belonged to not just a different era but also a different species.

It was I couldn't I've never until the last two or three years I never quite understood or

believed I realized that holocausts occur because of people who are just like our modern day.

Yes, I suppose that's right.

Look, I was six when I left Prague.

I was in the summer of 1939.

And I suppose that what was happening was so horrific and was so overwhelming in terms of the

civilized values that were being swept away that I suppose I was too young really to understand that fully.

It wasn't until some years later that it all hit me when I began to puzzle about my past and

why it had happened.

At the time I knew things that were significant were happening, but I didn't really understand

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