Looking at VIX and earnings growth with Mott Capital Management
Wall Street Breakfast
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🗓️ 17 December 2023
⏱️ 10 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | On Seeking Alpha, you run Reading the Markets, that's your investing group, your author name |
| 0:09.2 | on Seeking Alpha is Mock Capital Management. |
| 0:11.3 | Michael Kramer, it's great to have you on the show today. |
| 0:13.4 | Investors for the most part from the way I can look at it right and the only way I can |
| 0:18.3 | look at it is two things right I look at what is the market anticipating in terms of earnings growth for next year, and then I look at implied volatility levels, which tells me some sort of level of complacency or fear in the market. |
| 0:34.0 | A Vix at 14 is obviously suggesting there's no fear in the market, there's a lot of complacency. |
| 0:40.0 | Understanding what I understand about spreads and economics would tell me that the VIX is probably too low and will need to rise in 2024. |
| 0:50.0 | The other thing is that earnings are expected to grow by 10% next year, which I don't see as a possibility given that number one inflation is coming down, right, which is clear. We know that. I don't think anyone's been a |
| 1:04.3 | denier of the fact that we know that inflation rates are falling. It's obviously |
| 1:08.5 | the pace at which they fall and where they get stuck perhaps along the way. |
| 1:13.0 | But what seems clear to me is that probably by the time we get to the second half of |
| 1:16.6 | 2024, you're going to see inflation approaching that 2% target, right? |
| 1:21.8 | What that means, though though is that companies will no longer have |
| 1:25.4 | pricing power to pass on to the consumer anymore which means they won't be |
| 1:29.2 | raising prices, which means that the whole reason the whole the whole way that the market gets to this 10% earnings growth rate is through |
| 1:38.0 | Profit margin expansion |
| 1:39.6 | But if you can't increase prices anymore and you have employment costs rising as noted by a higher average hourly earnings and higher inflation, you know, due to medical costs or health insurance, then we know that margins can't expand and margins will need to contract. |
| 1:59.6 | And so if you get a 5% sales growth number, you need margin expansion to get you to a 10% |
| 2:07.1 | earnings growth number. And what we're already seeing for the fourth quarter estimates is you've seen fourth quarter |
| 2:13.7 | sale earnings growth rates come down by about four percentage points since |
| 2:17.9 | the beginning of October and you've seen margin compression already |
| 2:22.2 | showing up in fourth quarter numbers and so I expect that to |
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