Hi, I'm Anna Marie Cox. Welcome to with friends like these. This week's show is about

especially broad messy coefficients. It's about whole groups of people, men and women,

people of color and white folks. I talked to Helen Rosner about a piece that she wrote

called 20 Things Men Can Do, right the fuck now, to support women beyond just literally

ceasing to harass us. And we talk about that in response to one of the more provocative

listener questions we've ever gotten. It's a question about someone who is on the other

side of the Me Too story as he puts it. And because we talk about that, that second part

of the show is one that you may not want to listen to if you yourself are a survivor

of sexual assault. And I will remind you, as I always remind you, that if this stuff

trips you up in any way possible, you can contact Rain, the Rape Abuse Incess National

Network, Online or via Phone, and also the Crisis Text Hotline, if you need help of any

kind. But first, I'm going to start to Van Newkirk, who is a staff writer at the Atlantic

and who covers politics, health, policy, voting rights, and the environment. He wrote a

piece that's a little bit kind of like 101 with friends like these. If you're a fan

of the show, you should read this piece. It's called the Language of White Supremacy.

And it's kind of a primer on why that specific phrase and the ideas behind it are important

right now. So we're going to talk about that first. Van Newkirk, coming right up.

Van Newkirk, welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me.

It's good to have you. I wanted to talk to you when your piece about white supremacy came

out last week. I gather you were involved in a rigorous reporting adventure. So it couldn't

be on the show last week. So before we get started, I want to point out that the term white

supremacy actually is a very specific history that you talk about in your essay. It has a definition.

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