Hey there. It's JVL on the secret show today with Sarah Longwell. We talked about the gigantic piece about Rupert Murdoch and Tucker Carlson and also the other gigantic piece about General Mark Millie. Here's the show.

So we should preface this by saying this is an excerpt from a Michael Wolf book about the end of Fox and Michael Wolf tells, he's a fabulous storyteller and many of the things he reports are true.

Yeah, yeah. But not all of them. Not all of them.

His, he writes in this omniscient voice with there being almost no sourcing at all, you know, with lots and lots of

verbatim quotes of conversations.

And so this is not like reading Woodward and Costa where you can 100% trust everything.

Right, and I actually recall specifically he had that book about Trump. He was one of the first people out with a

Trump book and he remember he just like sat somebody let him just sit in the White House

sat in the White House but he also alleged in that book that Trump and Nicky Haley were sleeping together.

Yeah, I think that he, uh, but again, I, I, I, this is not the first time that my goal's credibility has been called into question. He is not revered by his

revered by his peers and so again you gotta you gotta you gotta read

between the lines and do your own,

you got to do your own research, as the people say.

So what struck you most?

I mean, the best part of it is Ron and Casey Desantis coming to dinner at the Carlson's house and

Ron Desantis like shoving one of their dogs under the table, maybe kicking their dog and

Susie Carlson,

I've known for a long time, saying,

I never want to be around that person again.

Yeah, so the Susie Carlson thing was interesting

because obviously, it's never really occurred to me like who is married to Tucker Carlson and the description of her in the piece is that she is a

stay-at-home mom who is concerned with manners her children her dogs and like

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