Hey guys, this is going to be an interview with me and Mishka Shubale, who is a author, musician, and wrote

the book called The Long Run, which got me into Trail and Ultra running to begin with. After I read the long run I thought maybe I can run 50 miles. So he is in many respects the reason why I'm an ultra-runner. He started out as a person that I was a fan of and now he's a friend.

This was recorded when he was visiting my house for a house show where he played his tunes and I just

grabbed him because he was there and said hey let's go sit down and wrap about

whatever and strangely the only things that I recall that we really talked about were religion,

Alcoholics Anonymous, and I think that's it.

So anyway, it's not your classic long-run interview, but it's it's not your classic long-run interview but it's it's two guys just

talking about whatever and it kind of abruptly ends because he realizes he has a

show and he has to get ready for it so it gets kind of awkward

because we move into like an area of Muslim extremism and then he's just like I gotta go

and it wasn't necessarily because we moved into an awkward discussion it was just you know timing so I thought I would do a little intro to give you a little background to the recording and I think you guys are going to like it.

It's some deep thoughts by a couple of friends. So here it is,

Miska Shubale. Oh, what he's in that? What he did?

He had Myrtle Hilario.

And then he said,

he said, he listened to that show like other show?

A regular basis. Yeah, I'm not a big podcast guy.

I listen to invisibility whenever I can.

I'm sure in all the other

when I'm running you have this identity as a guy that wrote a book

about running yeah that was all I knew yeah and now it's got to be different, I definitely I'm struggling to make that

transition I feel like I'm in a I alternately feel like I'm in a like a post-running

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