Oh my god, it's Friday and this can be a long run-up episode of me and my

good friend, Art Byrump. Art is the host of the Cultura Trail Running

Podcast. All thrings, Connecticut. And I'm their number one fan, evidently,

because I have a trophy on my wall. Arrow, does an interesting guy, he's been

sober for a very long time. He's been running for a long time. We talk about a lot

about sobriety. We talk a lot about podcasting and unique challenges of being a

small time podcaster. And life and everything else that you can think of was a

really really good conversation. We've had an interesting relationship. He came

to me for advice early before starting his show. Then I got mad at him because I

thought, felt like he was copying some things that we were doing. Then he stopped

doing those things and came and ran the badger instead of just calling me up

and saying, hey, sorry. So they ran a hundred miles and then we became friends

again. And now I went in his show and he's been in our show. And I did a long

run of him. I wanted to do all those guys. They're all interesting. All the

people in that culture show. They're good people. Anyway, we had a really good

talk. And I think you're really going to love it. It's a long one. This episode

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