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Let a life changes and developments and I've known for some time and never had an opportunity to interview.

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Hello. Is this sage? It is. Yeah. Scotty. Coomer. How are you? Scotty. Yeah. Are we still a goal? Okay. We are definitely. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. I am. How are you doing? Good. I'm doing real good. I had you on my list of people to interview for a very long time. And I always thought it would be better to do it in person. And I went to Boulder quite a bit. And now I figure.

Well, we're running out of time and you're no longer in Boulder. So screw it. Let's just do it on the phone. Yeah. Yeah. So you've been a Boulder quite a bit. Yeah. I have actually four of the previous hosts of this podcast have relocated to Boulder. So I go there for Wow. Yeah. It's like the place that sucks all of the Chicago people when they decide that they want to be inspired and go live in the mountains. So it's kind of crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, glad we could finally connect. Yeah. I know it's hard to schedule in two. So. Oh, for sure. And you and I listened to your prior conflict on the ginger runner. I'll put a link to that in the show notes if I may want to listen to that. But boy, you've had a year.

Yeah. Yeah. It's been been an interesting one for sure the last 12 months. Not something I want to repeat.

Is it, you know, I mean, it would have been a hard year, even just, you know, because of COVID and all the things that are related to that. But then on top of it all, and we can go into that, you know, in depth later on, you've had just, you know, hope I just should go around in your life.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, with, yeah, Sandy's family was the biggest loss and then, yes, and personal health issues and then relocating, getting kind of a forced relocation and losing a lot of material items.

Just a month ago. And if you like, yeah, look at the last 12 months, it's just been a roller coaster. And like he said, you know, COVID's affected everyone.

Kind of in bad ways. So you're already kind of stressed out about all the, all the COVID stuff going on and then to layer that on top has made it extra challenging.

Do you, are you someone that's had to overcome personal adversity in your life? Or do you think that this is probably the most the world has thrown at you in a two year period?

Well, by far the most, I've been extremely lucky. Like I had a very privileged upbringing. My, I had both parents in the household loving kind parents who encourage me and school and sports, you know, just a really nice family life.

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